Beauty & Body Image, Lena Dunham

Lena Dunham Talks Body Image and Fashion

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On being told by a stylist that sample sized women were easier to dress:

“I’m like, ’Don’t say that to me.’ I mean, I have a fine sense of self esteem so I’ll be OK, but if you say that to another girl, she’ll literally go throw herself in front of a car. (Worrying about my body) is not, like, my area. Sometimes I will be like, ‘I feel bloated or outside myself today.’ But it’s so funny; sometimes I’ll see a picture of myself and be like, ’Oh, that’s not my best angle,’ but I just carry on.’’

On the fact that she loves fashion:

“I’m not saying I am a great candidate for the cover of a fashion magazine. But I do love clothes. People are always surprised to hear that – they think I walk around in a washcloth or something. I do think it takes fashion magazines a minute to be comfortable with variations of any kind. Adele is one of the most beautiful women in the world, but every time I see her on the cover, it’s like a crop of her face and it’s just so boring at this point. It’s such a boring conversation.’’

… says 27 year-old Lena.

Remember when Lena said that looking like a VS model ‘must be a burden’?

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serena
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serena

Not a fan of Lena, her writing, acting, figure, or fashion.

Also surprised to hear she loves fashion. Often she looks frumpy. She’s good friends with designer Zac Posen, maybe she should ask for tips. The best I’ve seen her look was in a Posen gown on the red carpet.

lila
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lila

Urgh. Can’t stand her. She’s full of herself and her “style” is an insult to anyone who actually cares for fashion. She doesn’t style anything, she just throws sth on and (in 99% of the cases) looks awful and it’s just really unflattering. My aunt is like twice her size and still manages to dress her age, be stylish and have fun variations and find stuff that flatters her figure. Lena just looks like a cheap (sorry) trailer park girl who found some expensive stuff and put it on, because you know, it fit – kinda – and why not… Read more »

Sanne
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Sanne

Wow, you have a lot of hate inside of you!

I actually think it’s very refreshing to hear someone like Lena, instead of all the size 0 propaganda.

lila
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lila

Call it hate, call it jealousy – as soon as you utter criticism, it’s anything, just not what it’s supposed to be: an obersavtion. I don’t hate her, why should I? I don’t know the woman. True, I don’t like her, but hate would be too much. I also think the size 0 hype has to stop and apparently you didn’t get my point: Confidence and being bigger are good. But Lena bashes anyone below her size, always points out how happy and awesome she is and in this interview talks about how she likes fashion. Well, I don’t see… Read more »

Winnie
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Winnie

PREACH!

Winnie
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Winnie

Every woman should feel good about herself! We should uplift and celebrate all body shapes and sizes, but it you read all of Lena’s comments concerned thinner women than herself (or anyone who happens to care/put effort into their appearance) they’re all full of backhanded compliments and condescending “pity”…it’s very unbecoming and turned me from a potential fan to a so-called “hater”. She is obnoxious and patronizing. Both not very becoming traits

amber
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amber

This. Exactly. “Don’t say that to me. I mean, I’m confident and strong, shop I can take it, but any other woman would look herself because no one else is as strong and confident as me.”

I’m not sure how I would’ve felt about her looks if I’d never heard her comments or the hype about her show before I’d seen her, but she is so ugly to me. Not necessarily body wise, but in the face. I find nothing redeeming about her. I wonder if her attitude was like that before all of the success and praise.

Sanne
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Sanne

I’m really wondering what your references are on Lena Dunham. If it’s this site: yeah of course then all you read about her is about her size and confidence. That’s what this site is about.
Honestly I also don’t really see the style thingy, but I’ve seen worse than how she’s dressed. If she says she likes clothes and dressing herself up I believe her. It’s just not my taste.

Snip
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Snip

Why is a size 0 seen as “unrealistically small” anyway? It isn’t as if it calls for a 22″ waist. No, it merely calls for a 24-25″ waist depending on the manufacturer – and nope, not a vanity-sized zero. A zero. From Neiman Marcus to Old Navy … 0s just aren’t that tiny. To put things into perspective, a size 0 is what a size 6 was into the late ’80s – and no one had a PC problem with a size 6 being too tiny then. I think people just knee-jerk a terrified reaction to the 2013 size number… Read more »

Lisa
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Lisa

What I don’t get is 00 and 000. Just say XS or XXS!

Sanne
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Sanne

What I mean with size zero is stick thin models. I don’t think it’s normal that it’s put into the faces of women since they are 11-12/first time they open a fashionmagazine.

Snip
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Snip

I use “ignorance” & “arrogance” interchangeably, too!

lila
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lila

I didn’t, though. Ignorance AND arrogance, Lena portrays both.

amelia
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amelia

I really agree with you sanne!it shouldnt be the exception that someone whi is not a size 0-4 walks around comfortably and shows that you don’t have to be ashamed to show your body and wear the styles you wanna wear!it’s refreshing and she shouldn’t be slated for it!people should look up to that!

wonderwoman21
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wonderwoman21

Meh, rich parents are great for getting you a career in show biz. Lena Dunham, Rooney Mara, Kate Upton, Lady Gaga…

amber
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amber

And Angelina jolie, Gwyneth paltrow, Adam Levine, Penelope Cruz, Charlie sheen, ed sheeran, Darren criss, and on and on. Just because someone is wealthy doesn’t mean they aren’t talented. And for every celeb who started famous, there’s one who started poor. And, no, they aren’t all talented. Sure we have the Kardashians, but we also have honey boo boo.

wonderwoman21
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wonderwoman21

Didn’t say they weren’t talented, but talent doesn’t negate that their parents’ money got them where they are. Jolie, Sheen, Paltrow are products of nepotism since they had parents in the industry. I don’t know about Levine or Criss. Many of these people wouldn’t have gotten their big breaks or careers without money or nepotism, like the Willis girls as models or Emma Roberts as an actress.

Nene
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Nene

And Dakota Johnson…soon to appear in Fifty Shades of Gray.
Nepotism is now a crata on the highway to success for aspiring and truely talented ‘ordinary’ people.It’s appalling and extremely unfair,cos there are abundant of talents out there waiting to be tapped.Yet all we get are rich kids desperately grabbing onto the legendary legacy of their parents for attention and ‘progress’.Whether they be competent or not,it doesn’t matter.

wonderwoman21
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wonderwoman21

There is so much better fresher talent out there, but it will be tossed aside for some mediocre talent who has mommy and daddy pulling strings in the industry. I think the Willis girls are great examples, I’ve seen Rumor’s acting…it’s cold fish at best. The idea that both Rumor and Scout model is ridiculous, if they were not Hollywood offspring I’m certain their dreams of modeling would have ended at the starting line.

Brenda
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Brenda

I think it is refreshing that she has good self-esteem… her parents really did something right. Its kind of ironic that she seems to love herself more that supermodels and people that have the “perfect body”. She is just happy how she is and I find that inspiring.

I know a lot of people dont like her, but I love her! 🙂

popo
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popo

I love her too! And her show. =D And as for people thinking her tattoos are “trashy” – well they are quite simply illustrations out children’s books and are pretty quaint and simple. :/ I guess everyones entitled to their opinions.

CK
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CK

agree 😀

kia
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kia

but now she’s the reason why I fear having good self-esteem!

Sabina
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Sabina

Why? You fear that people won’t like you for being who you are? It can happen, but being true to yourself is so liberating!

lc
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lc

Unattractive and annoying.

lila
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lila

Thanks! 😉

MerryHappy
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MerryHappy

The praise for her intellect is starting to rub me the wrong way. She is not uniquely creative out doing anything that hasn’t been done before!

lc
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lc

Exactly, MerryHappy.

Tst
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Tst

Is this for real? Who cares, whoever you are.

Anna
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Anna

Her image us carefully crafted. She’s under contract not to lose weight yet, this is her shtick. Every body knows Lena Dunham is not beatiful or even close to it. If she was secure she wouldn’t say it so often.

kia
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kia

under contract? she’s the author of her show!

Candy M.
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Candy M.

you’re right, i wasn’t thinking. I was just typing. I was trying to talk about what Tracy Anderson said about her, that she’s not allowed to get fit YET.

serena
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serena

I doubt she’s under contract to not lose weight (she’s the producer/director). More likely she’s simply capitalizing on a niche role (chubby awkward white girl). She gets more attention this way and she knows it.

kia
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kia

the point is this one: I would like not to care about my appereance or being ugly and just enjoy clothes and other stuff,but I don’t want to look like Lena in any way! and she says here she’s feeling that way. I also can’t stand lena’s personality as it is shown in her work. I will always thank miley cyrus for showing me how the uncomfortable-disgust-shamely feeling can come from a skinny girl(and actually from one with a very amazing fit model-like body)’s appereance just as well. lena and miley are giving me the same kind of vibes, and… Read more »

Penelope
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Love her confidence!

lex
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lex

I haven’t seen her show and I’ve never seen her in interviews so I have no idea if she’s talented or not. But these quotes indicate that she’s very insecure about the way she looks. I find it hard to believe she’s really into fashion. She makes poor choices when it comes to clothes and dressing for her body type.

Justine
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Justine

I have very conflicting thoughts about Lena. I can’t quite decide if what she says is a meaningful, true statement from her, if it’s sarcasm, or if it’s a PC answer that has been crafted by herself (or her team) to seem “relatable” to the everyday, slightly frumpy, sorta overweight women of America that are increasing in numbers as we blog. She can say, do, wear, whatever, I don’t care…just make GIRLS entertaining again, and make Marnie show her t—-s, hahaha.

solaxia
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solaxia

I don’t know her or have any particular opinion on her, but from most of the quotes I’ve seen of hers I actually like them. So what if she has confidence beaming out of her. Just because she is not the ideal body at this point in time in the media, doesn’t mean she can’t love herself and think she is hot s—. Miranda Kerr is as smug as they come and loves her self to pieces it seems, yet that’s ok because she is ‘ideal’ at the moment? That’s insane and such a double standard over something so superficial… Read more »

Erica
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I agree solaxia. I don’t like Lena’s show at all and I think she can come across as very out of touch and entitled, but I tend to agree with her quotes about self esteem and body image. She seems to have a healthy opinion of herself, even though she knows she’s not the ideal and has probably heard a million times that she’s a bit fat and frumpy! I’m sue she’s had many compliments too – she’s not ugly, imo! Why should she hang her head and feel bad about herself or constantly talk about the body parts she… Read more »

anonymous
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anonymous

“Miranda Kerr is as smug as they come and loves her self to pieces” You really just hate Miranda Kerr don’t you? any chance you get you bad mouth her. But to say she is “smug” is stupid how on earth can you say she is “smug” just from looking at her pictures? It doesn’t surprise me that erica agrees with you either. It’s funny how the pair of you find models so “unattractive” yet think Lena is “attractive”. Nobody in their right mind would think that. You both sound bitter and insecure. Putting down obviously attractive women like Miranda… Read more »

Erica
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I think Miranda Kerr is beautiful – as evidenced by the fact that on most posts about her I point out how attractive I think she is! I think there was one time when I thought she looked too straight up and down for a particular dress and you probably took exception to that and will not forget it. You try so hard to put me in a box – but I just don’t fit like you want! I don’t think Lena is attractive – I just don’t think she’s ugly, they’re different things! I just think it’s good that… Read more »

MerryHappy
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MerryHappy

Yes, Lena. We know. You love yourself. You are so awesome and existential, and there’s no one else like you in the whole entire universe, you beautiful snowflake, you. The rest of the world is simply humbled by your contributions.

The more I read words that have haphazardly fallen out of her mouth, the more I dislike her.

wonderwoman21
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wonderwoman21

Amen! You put words to exactly why I don’t like her and why I’m not interested in her show. She’s just another UNIQUE hipster kid that crams their ONE-OF-A-KINDness down your throat. I live in a university artsy-fartsy town, I see this schtick every day. I’m close in age to a lot of these girls (25) but can’t really relate to any of itthus ‘Girls’ isn’t my cup o’ tea.a and neither is Lena (who, btw, I don’t consider to be monstrously talented anyways). a

lila
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lila

:’D perfect comment!

MerryHappy
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MerryHappy

Thank you! I live in Portland, OR, so… Portlandia. I see ‘her’ every darn day. The super special, talented, self important hipster kid and I are old foils.

Nene
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Nene

Not to be cruel or anything but whenever I see a photo of Lena,I can’t help but think her body has a potential to look really better.If only she could lose some weight.
And to be honest i find her pretty and feel she isn’t making the most of her natural beauty.
Although sometimes she comes across as concieted,she seems like a friendly person.

Marike
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Marike

trash again

Channy
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Channy

Just too weird, white trash. I thought I was watching Jerry Springer the other day, with her on this show. Public likes watching weird things, thats why shes famous

popo
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popo

I ask this out of genuine curiosity- i’ve heard people say that they don’t relate to her show- its weird etc. What do you prefer to watch. :/ I’m not looking to start any argument i just want to know.:)

snugglepup
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snugglepup

If she loves fashion she should dress a bit sharper. Also her hair is of a middle aged woman who’s bitter and disappointed in her life. Dunham talks always about the same stuff. I don’t like her personality at all. Looks even less.

Daniela
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Daniela

She’s just so BLAH

tequilla
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tequilla

i love her show, so refreshing! its my early 20s literally, and my parents werent close to ritch and i live in europe.. and what would we supposed to watch instead.. mean girls or gossip girls.. lol, my iq is stil bit higher than that, tnx..
as for her looks, i dont care, i dont think actresses are supposed to look like models, its so stupid and boring.

Ajla R
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Ajla R

Okay, so my IQ is low because I watch Gossip Girl, 90210 etc? Oh well, I beg to differ..

As for Lena. Can’t stand her. It’s cool that she’s confident or whatever, but she should stop reminding us about it. In my opinion, she’s below average and she seems awfully arrogant.

MerryHappy
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MerryHappy

I’m I’m my mid twenties. Just because I have a v—- does not obligate me to watch shows that consist of others who also have the same anatomical parts as me facing the struggles I and the producers/writers imagine myself facing. I don’t watch girls. I don’t watch gossip girl, and don’t think bears on intelligence. But, I don’t find it intrinsically necessary to ‘relate’ to my protagonists, unless it’s on an intellectual level. I like: The Walking Dead, Doctor Who, Archer, The Venture Bros., and, when I need my ‘female problems’ fix, I’ll watch Korean Dramas. There are some… Read more »

MerryHappy
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MerryHappy

Just to add, I forced myself to watch the whole first season to understand the hype. So this isn’t a blind assault. It was every self indulgent sociology term paper, art project, and multimedia final regurgitated by ‘art students’ I’ve seen one the last few years.

Winnie
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Winnie

ooooooooooooh shiet! three snaps for you MerryHappy!

btw Archer is probably the most hilarious, most underrated show on TV

MerryHappy
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MerryHappy

It is, Winnie! I find Archer both raunchy and intelligent, and it somehow satisfied a need for both I deep inside me but didn’t know i had until i started watching. Haha.
RAMPAGGEEE

MerryHappy
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MerryHappy

Need I had* haha

lc
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lc

Right on, MerryHappy!

popo
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popo

Have to agree with most of your comment. I did however find myself watching shows like GG,90210 and the works when i had a lot of work stress in my life and needed some form of distraction from all of it. Of course when i watch such shows now that my brains not already swamped- i want to break my TV. O_O

Snip
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Snip

She’s the 2013 Janeane Garofalo – except she doesn’t make anybody laugh.

JennM
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JennM

I love Lena. I think she gets such unfair hate on this site. She is an average sized girl who is very happy with herself, is in a healthy relationship, and just happens to be very successful. Whether or not her parents helped her get where she is besides the point, I am sure most of our parents helped paid for college, but we are still the ones who went to class.. everyone’s parents help them out, don’t be mad because hers are way richer than yours. All these people saying her show sucks and she is annoying, lets see… Read more »

MerryHappy
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MerryHappy

You know, I couldn’t. My problems aren’t ‘will my mom or dad finance my living even after graduation?’ or ‘does the hott guy want to have sex with me?’ Beyond the ‘oops, am I pregnant?’ (who hasn’t?) my concerns are a bit less marketable, and I’m more than okay with that. I’m not jealous of her success, but I find the praise unwarranted. She’s not uniquely talented, and I stand by that.

MerryHappy
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MerryHappy

Sorry, that was not supposed to sound so snarky, I just finished a long rant on why I don’t find her unique or talented. Lol

JennM
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JennM

It didn’t sound snarky 🙂 Very intelligent. We will have to agree to disagree. I too, know the type you are talking about. I lived in a fine arts dorm in college, and I was surrounded by girls in their cat eye glasses who were vegan for a week and shopped at thrift stores because it was the “cool” thing to do, and went to poetry readings and saw bands at coffee shops. But, there were also some genuinely interesting and smart people who did those things not because it was a shtick, but because those things actually appealed to… Read more »

MerryHappy
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MerryHappy

To me, she is those vegan girls at your former dorm; I don’t feel like she is genuine as Lena herself, her characters, as you said, are relate-able as they are broad caricatures of people and archetypes we recognize. I will concede that. It’s funny that we both know the ‘type’ that we are talking about, but disagree on whether or not she is the real deal, or that ‘type.’ Just the way she phrases things makes it hard for me to find her genuine; maybe she has foot in mouth syndrome, but it comes off as arrogant and narcissistic… Read more »

serena
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serena

I agree with you MH. Yes Lena has a hit show, but the Kardashians have like 3; Americans love watching dumb train wrecks (Amanda Bynes, Lindsay Lo). Not that Lena is a train wreck by any means, but it’s disingenuous to pretend she’s huge talented. She admits her characters in Girls/Tiny Furniture are based on herself so she’s not really acting. Her writing is a very narrow range (rich white urban hipsters, aka herself) and most college kids could write as well as her. I think Tina F. is a better example of a female writer/actress who produced her own… Read more »

MerryHappy
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MerryHappy

I’m certain it’s ‘genuine’ in the sense that she has artist / writer parents that worked to make her feel special and more creative and insightful than those around her, which imo created a self involved arrogance and grandiose illusions about her own voice and world experience that we may have missed out on, if, say, she had been on the swim team or in horticulture club too, to be more grounded. I don’t think encouraging creativity is wrong at all. I’m dating a artist. But I feel it can breed feelings of superiority over fellow man to push to… Read more »

Faith
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Faith

I dont know who you are but I am loving your comments! Lena reminds me of a girl I used to study with doing drama it was obvious that her parents had told her she was a little star and the best actress to the point were she felt she didn’t have to rehearse she was just that good needless to say she was never as good as she thought. I am trying to get through the first series of girls but all I can see is spoiled children trying to act like adults maybe its because I’ve grown up… Read more »

JennM
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JennM

Again, the thing I like most about Lena isn’t her show or her personality, and I don’t the greatest thing about her is her talent. I think it is refreshing that she likes herself, and I don’t think she is being insincere in how much she likes herself. In all honesty, most people on the street would say I am a fair bit more attractive than Lena, but I still spend tons of time focusing on how I could look better or be more attractive, or what plastic surgery I would get if I could afford it, so I find… Read more »

Katya
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Katya

I never get why some women try so hard to look unattractive. That’s what Lena does… she wears the most unflattering clothes for her body type and gives herself a boy haircut. She has the money, so I don’t get why she doesn’t try to make herself as attractive as possible. Get a trainer and lose 30 lbs. She would look so much better. Her b❆❆bs also don’t match her frame..they would like fine if she was skinny. If she’s going to stay this size, I think she should get implants.

Lisa
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Lisa

A little harsh with the implant suggestion, lol. Though I would get them myself.

It’s funny how the people rolling in dough are usually the ones who turn up to events looking like they rolled in the dumpster before getting there. I understand not flaunting your wealth, but at least brush your damn hair. I’ve been to fancy gatherings where you wouldn’t be able to tell by looking at some of them that they were well-heeled. No makeup, sloppy clothes… I don’t get it.

Katya
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Katya

Okay, maybe the implant comment was a bit harsh but I was just being honest lol. I really would love implants myself. But if she was thinner, I wouldn’t have suggested implants. It’s just that her small b❆❆bs look so disproportionate to her body.

MerryHappy
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MerryHappy

Her small b❆❆bs are one of the few things I like about her. As I struggled through the season, the only nice thing I had to say was ‘she has perky small boobs.’ Other than that, I think the broader stroke of your sentiment resides in this hypothesis my sister has about hipsters. She thinks they try to be unattractive so they can say they did it in purpose, but that they were unattractive to begin with. I don’t agree with her on the ‘to begin with’ clause, but definitely believe it’s supposed to be an ironic anti-establishment scene steal… Read more »

MerryHappy
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MerryHappy

I’m certain she’s always had enough money to make herself ‘conventionally’ attractive if she had wanted to (i personally disagree with the notion that she should feel she has to be prettier just because she is a woman or a figure head), but I’m also certain she has parents who ‘worked to foster her creative spirit’ as well. Meaning she’s been told she is perfect just the way she is and that she is very very very special her entire life. Not that encouraging self efficacy is bad, but too much creates a self involved, narcissistic monster with a superiority… Read more »

jameson
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jameson

she’s a fat slob, end of story.

amy
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amy

AMEN!

Ennya
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Ennya

Why you have a problem with her…? 😀 I think she is beautiful in her own way! I respect her self esteem and I wish I would be more confident (like her for example)! But… I’m not… I was raised watching perfect, skinny & toned Britney and beautiful actresses (again, all very skinny…) and I can get rid of thinking that ‘skinny’ is beautiful… For me is skinny still a beauty standard. 🙁 So, why not for a change say ‘Go girl, you are bautiful! Thank you for showing us that we are also perfectly ok, just the way we… Read more »

Lisa
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Lisa

I don’t think her face is unattractive if you look at her features, but her personality just… zip. Kills it all for me.

Aurora
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Aurora

I’m so jealous of her self-confidence… At this point I don’t know who I envy more, flawless models or Lena Dunham. She is probably happier than most people simply because she accepts herself the way she is.

IMJ
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IMJ

I like what she represents, but I dont like her. She’s a little too narcissistic, arrogant and full of herself, personality wise. But I like that she represents diversity in Hollywood, especially for women.

Anushka
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Anushka

Versus could you do a post on Indian model Angela Johnson?
http://i.bollywoodmantra.com/albums/wallpapers/kingfisher-calendar-2012/angela-jonsson___410226.jpg
Would love to see some Indian models featured here.

Or maybe a post on Nargis Fakhri, shes uber gorgeous.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PLZwhxdRxJ4/UWwIZXe5MwI/AAAAAAAAOxg/VkTSRYEpAHk/s1600/Nargis-Fakhri-GQ-India-7.jpg

Marty
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Marty

I love this woman., Watching her tv show show’s character makes me feel like i should be more confident about myself. I love her personality in interviews! She’s just corky naturally as opposed to Zoey Deschanoel (so?) who tries too hard. (in my opinion)

MerryHappy
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MerryHappy

Haha, thank you. I’m just a girl with the flu this week. I feel like we’ve all encountered the pseudo intellectual/artist at some point, but I live in Portland where a show has been made just to mock how many hipsters and pseudo intellectual creative posers with whatever the latest food allergy tend is that we have here. I feel in my element critiquing the mediocrity of her talent because I see people like her doing the things she’s doing every day, whether I actively seek out or not. The girl in theatre with you seems insufferable but I’m not… Read more »

MerryHappy
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MerryHappy

That was to faith

what
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what

I am shocked by how much stupid hatred this woman gets. She’s not writing for all women under 30; she’s writing about a particular kind of experience. She’s funny, has sharp observations, what? Just because she’s drawing from her life doesn’t mean she’s ‘not acting’ or writing, lol. That’s all any artist can do, is transform what they see and feel. It sucks that just because she’s female, she has to take crap like this (from other women). As for arrogance, ha. It’s a good thing. No one made anything interesting happen through humility.

what
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what

in fact more women should be arrogant.

olivia
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olivia

PREACH, LENA!